In this episode of The Malliard Report, Jim Malliard sits down with Dave Considine, one of the nation’s most recognized religious demonologists, for an unfiltered discussion on the spiritual and psychological complexities of paranormal investigation. With over two decades of field experience — including work alongside Ed and Lorraine Warren — Considine brings a rare mix of research, faith, and realism to the topic of demonic phenomena.
What unfolds is not a sensational ghost story, but an introspective guide to navigating the dangers of belief, deception, and unseen forces. Dave shares practical advice for investigators — from maintaining spiritual protection to recognizing when a case crosses the line from psychological disturbance into something darker. He and Jim explore what makes people vulnerable to manipulation, why free will can sometimes be surrendered, and how investigators must balance curiosity with responsibility.
The conversation also peels back the curtain on the hazards of modern “ghost hunting culture.” Dave critiques televised paranormal shows that glorify provocation or mock spiritual danger, reminding listeners that true investigation requires discernment, empathy, and respect for forces beyond our understanding. Together, Jim and Dave examine the moral and human cost of chasing the supernatural without preparation or humility.
This episode reflects The Malliard Report at its best — a thoughtful bridge between faith and inquiry, where deep experience meets honest reflection. It’s a grounded exploration of good and evil, belief and skepticism, and the mysterious thin space between the physical and the spiritual.
As always, The Malliard Report stays true to its tagline:
Where the paranormal meets Pennsylvania grit.
00:00 – Opening and Technical Glitches
Jim welcomes listeners, shares a bit about the chaos of live radio, and introduces Dave Considine — a conversation that quickly dives into strange phone calls and unexplained moments.
05:00 – Deja Vu, Dimensions, and the Nature of Reality
Dave discusses the “onion skin” theory of multiple dimensions, suggesting that déjà vu may be glimpses into parallel experiences or echoes of the self across realities.
10:00 – Spiritual Layers and the Concept of Hell
The discussion turns toward ancient theology — from the Norse goddess Hel to the idea that realms of the dead coexist with ours. Dave connects mythology, theology, and spiritual mechanics in an accessible way.
20:00 – Demonology and Investigation Ethics
Jim and Dave explore the fine line between research and danger — from “digital necromancy” in ghost tech to the psychological cost of provocation. Dave stresses caution, humility, and spiritual protection.
30:00 – The Human Cost of the Work
Stories of possessions, physical attacks, and unexplained illness among investigators. Dave recounts cases where people fell gravely ill after delving into dark practices, and warns against ego-driven exploration.
45:00 – Casework, Preparation, and Procedure
A masterclass on how to properly approach a haunted location — from pre-interviews and family assessments to the use of prayer, discernment, and technology. Dave emphasizes empathy and client safety.
01:00:00 – False Narratives and Paranormal Media
Jim and Dave discuss TV’s distortion of the paranormal field. “They want money, not truth,” Dave says, pointing out how entertainment often undermines real education and ethics.
01:15:00 – History, Faith, and the Demon’s Knowledge
Dave connects ancient demonology — from Akkadian texts to Martin Luther’s writings — showing that the idea of spiritual entities has evolved but never disappeared. “The word demon means knowledge,” he notes.
01:30:00 – Light, Darkness, and Free Will
The pair conclude with reflection: we are responsible for our curiosity, and belief without balance can open doors best left closed. Jim closes with gratitude for the insight and humility that underlie true investigation.
“Once you say the word demon, it’s forever — you can’t take it back from the family’s mind.” — Dave Considine
“The paranormal isn’t a playground. It’s a mirror that shows us who we really are.” — Jim Malliard
“Faith isn’t a shield from darkness — it’s a compass through it.” — Dave Considine
“TV wants to make money. Real investigators want to help people.” — Jim Malliard
“Everything is connected — the seen, the unseen, and the choices we make in between.” — Dave Considine
